VF5 community numbers after SCIV release

Marginal · Jul 14, 2008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn89OWk8NPc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xREk_OCyhtE

TheWorstPlayer · Jul 14, 2008

BLACKSTAR said:

Worst: Well as for me, to be perfectly honest, I havent seen many tournaments. I've manly played alot with friends and people around my area. In my experience since the original SC, everyone was always picking people like Nightmare, Taki, Sophie, and Raphael, and was dominating with them, especially the last two in the latter games. Xiang was my first that I picked when I picked up the first game, and I stuck with her, though I also pick other chars.

As for my strategy with her, I used her blazing speed, various combos, and mix-ups to stay close to my opponent, back up to arms-length mid-range and poke when I was getting pounded, and pull out her dancing counters if I foresaw a move that my opponent was gonna pull, or her great wall if I saw anyone charging at me full speed with a B move. That's how I got around, I have to try and stay in my opponents face to win, because of her weak damage, but to stay in close (because someone like Taki, Cassandra, or just a really good player might be better at close-range)I had to learn her various feints, pokes and counters to stay safe.

To my experience, NOBODY picked Xiang for the simple fact that people thought she was a lame character. I would have actually been THRILLED to see another Xiang player! Well I loved her at 1st sight, and really sought out to find her beauty, despite everyone else; to which I found her knack to dance around people's moves. I always tried to mix it up; I never really tried to exploit many of her advantageous attacks...well except maybe great wall when I get cornered, but anyone who saw through that punished me swiftly.

To be totally honest, we had always thought she was a low-tier character compared to people like Ivy until three came out. It was clear as day that she was dominant in that game (even though many of her advantageous moves were actually TONED DOWN, like her down B+K spin move), but not nearly as Sophitia, to which players would dispatch me quickly. But those two were the only ones that were too strong in that game, so I don't see why people make such a big fuss, because nearly everyone was on even turf. So, oddly enough, I don't mind seeing her many moves she had since SC1 nerfed (AGAIN), as long as the roster stays balanced and they don't totally destroy Xiang's fighting style. I'd rather people put up a decent fight so I can have fun.

Maybe I will look for a video, lol. I won't try to defend myself with youtube videos, but I don't mind looking for a Xiang video if there is something you'd really like to see. I wish I could show you how I'd play, but maybe I can find a genuine player that doesn't like to spam 3B or whatever other stuff. I dunno I've never really looked before.

Sorry to turn my post into an "I love Xiang" bio, but I just wanted to show you where I was coming from

Slide: I totally agree with you there, actually. I initially thought you meant like I probably didn't know my char's moveset or something. There are many char-specific situations where you actually have to go through a tedious trial and error process to figure out which move will work against said tactic, yet they are few and far in between. It may be just growing pains, but it still very annoying.
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Ahh I see the perspective your coming from. From a tourney players perspective
Xiang made people pull a lot of hairs. She was basically the go to character if you
were getting your ass kicked. Not necessarily because she was the best damage
potential wise, but because she was safe and easy to punish with. Question did
you and your buds use 2G and or the variable cancels in 3?

Cuz · Jul 14, 2008

What's the VFDC equivalent to SC?

BlackDragon37 · Jul 14, 2008

http://www.caliburforum.com

Shadowdean · Jul 14, 2008

would some of you people listen to teach other....the beauty in the character..the crane grabs at the snakes nuts...fortune cookie fighter....?

BLACKSTAR · Jul 14, 2008

You know what? Thanks for the videos, marginal!

I honestly NEVER KNEW that you could cancel the great wall! that is already one of her most powerful moves for Xianghua, because when properly used, it basically whiffs nearly ALL B moves.

But combine that with the fact that you can cancel from a mid to a low move, or whatever you want to use, that easily makes it become one of the most powerful moves in the game -- combine that with an abusable 3B, and voila, NOW I see why she is so powerful in SC3.

I see that some of those Xiang nerfs in IV was necessary, but it doesn't really matter to me, since I never cancelled the great wall, or use 3B as much as the dude in that video.

As for your question, WorstPlayer, we never really used any of that. I need to look up 2G and variable cancel to see what those are for...

KrsJin · Jul 14, 2008

^ You have NO idea how happy my friend was when he read 3B no longer launches on normal hit lol.

TheWorstPlayer · Jul 14, 2008

BLACKSTAR said:

You know what? Thanks for the videos, marginal!

I honestly NEVER KNEW that you could cancel the great wall! that is already one of her most powerful moves for Xianghua, because when properly used, it basically whiffs nearly ALL B moves.

But combine that with the fact that you can cancel from a mid to a low move, or whatever you want to use, that easily makes it become one of the most powerful moves in the game -- combine that with an abusable 3B, and voila, NOW I see why she is so powerful in SC3.

I see that some of those Xiang nerfs in IV was necessary, but it doesn't really matter to me, since I never cancelled the great wall, or use 3B as much as the dude in that video.

As for your question, WorstPlayer, we never really used any of that. I need to look up 2G and variable cancel to see what those are for...
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Np man, as with any game theres a big difference between the world of playing
with your friends and tournament level comp. (Generally speaking anyway.) VC's
were removed in the SC3 Arcade Version if I recall so no real reason to look it up.
2 G was simply a very easy and safe defensive technique that even caused horizontals to miss stepping opponents. But Yeah, soulcalibur.com used to be
the soulcalibur place to go tho.

Marginal · Jul 14, 2008

BLACKSTAR said:

You know what? Thanks for the videos, marginal!
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Yeah, I figured that Mick and Thuggish Pond would make the point pretty quickly. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

shadowmaster · Jul 14, 2008

I would abuse 3B with every character not just X and I would be hated by all by friends as a combo fiend because of it. The cancels X has in SC3 remind me alot of Aoi cancels in VF, I know all about them and use them once in a while I do admit make a person think twice about acting too hastily leaving them open to lows or mids if they try to duck under a throw etc. I wouldn't abuse the cancels as much as the people in the videos do though even a decent person will catch on to what the enemy might do after a fake like when Aoi cancels her moves in VF.

It is a powerful move and I fully understand why X is considered to be as strong as she is in SC3 etc she happens to be one of my favorites too and if I had to play 1 character only it would either be X or Talim mainly.

TheWorstPlayer · Jul 14, 2008

Well girly character players tend to always play girly characters...because they are like....girly.

Seidon · Jul 14, 2008

Seconded.

Real men play with men!

...what?

Slide · Jul 14, 2008

TheWorstPlayer said:

Well girly character players tend to always play girly characters...because they are like....girly.
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black people play with ninjas, white girls, TKD and JKD characters

PompousKristina · Jul 14, 2008

As long as the Alexandra sisters and Xianghua get nerfed and Talim beefed up in Soul Calibur 4, then it'll be fine.

TheWorstPlayer · Jul 14, 2008

Slide said:

TheWorstPlayer said:

Well girly character players tend to always play girly characters...because they are like....girly.
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black people play with ninjas, white girls, TKD and JKD characters
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Hey almost every black person plays Jeffry to SOME degree, other than that
I guess I have to turn in my negroe certification. See shit like this is why I'm voting
Obama.

Slide · Jul 15, 2008

TheWorstPlayer said:

Slide said:

TheWorstPlayer said:

Well girly character players tend to always play girly characters...because they are like....girly.
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black people play with ninjas, white girls, TKD and JKD characters
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Hey almost every black person plays Jeffry to SOME degree, other than that
I guess I have to turn in my negroe certification. See shit like this is why I'm voting
Obama.
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lol yeah I play Jeffry a lil bit too

shadowmaster · Jul 15, 2008

I would actually prefer to play male characters in SC most of the the time and I don't play girly characters as much as I want to. Besides sometimes it is so much more fun to crush an enemy flat with asteroth or send them flying away from about half a screen away with nightmare

By the way real men play every character proficiently not just the male characters or female characters that is my belief anyway

TheWorstPlayer · Jul 15, 2008

shadowmaster said:

By the way real men play every character proficiently not just the male characters or female characters that is my belief anyway
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Not the case! Real men use the extra time to sex real women!
<span style='font-size: 8pt'>.....or get drunk</span>

Alstein · Jul 15, 2008

They've stated all of those. Talim's 2P is weird as hell though- she looks like a weird Evil Sailor Moon thingy.

masterpo · Jul 15, 2008

Slide said:

TheWorstPlayer said:

Slide said:

TheWorstPlayer said:

Well girly character players tend to always play girly characters...because they are like....girly.
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black people play with ninjas, white girls, TKD and JKD characters
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Hey almost every black person plays Jeffry to SOME degree, other than that
I guess I have to turn in my negroe certification. See shit like this is why I'm voting
Obama.
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lol yeah I play Jeffry a lil bit too
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Hey, Hey, wait a-minute.

VF5 has two shades of Sun Tan lotion. You can make any
character as dark as you want right?

This is a legitimate question. I only play Lei-Fei and I know
I have two shades of sun tan lotion for him. So sometimes I play him dark and sometimes light /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

I noticed that when I play him with the dark sun tan lotion I win more often ( I don't know what the explanation is though) /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cry.gif

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