Tournament in Texas 5 [3-23-03]. Petition now for VF4...

Evo is where it's at in my opinion.

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...I don't have an import PS2 and don't know anyone who does... So that would mean we would need multiple imports and import Evos to run an Evo tourney.

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I just picked up an import PS2 and will get Evo as soon as I can. I know of two others in the SoCal group who have import PS2s, and there may be a third.

If we all brought our equipment we'd have 3 or 4 setups provided you had TVs to go with them (I don't want to bring a TV on the plane).

 

I probably won't have Evo on PS2 by then, but I'm not sure if I'll go to Texas for the tourney anyway. The reason is that I plan on being in Japan during that time (and probably will buy PS2 Evo while I'm there). I've been planing a trip there for a while and it's pretty much decided that it'll be around the end of March.

As for ver C vs Evo, I don't care either way. Sure, I'll be disappointed that it isn't Evo, but I believe more people in the US have been playing ver C longer than Evo.

Perhaps there could be a mini-Evo tourney (I'm sure at least one of the socal crew will have Evo when it comes out). Doesn't have to be fancy and the prize can simply be bragging rights.

 

Evo vs Ver c

Okay well lets plan on Evo then... I will *assume* that there will be 3 import ps2 w/Evos there... but I will be bringing regular ps2s w/Ver C just in case something happens at the last minute.

Either way you guys will be getting a VF4 tourney. /versus/images/icons/smile.gif

 

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I can bring Jap PS2 w/ Evo if I come.

My other concern is that unlike Tekken tournament style, VF tourneys are traditionally run with the players commiting to one character throughout the tournament, win or loose. Some of us felt that if this had been the rule at the EC tournament (where people switched at will, win or loose), the outcome would have been different.

I think most other people will agree.

Spotlite

 

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It should be evo. The FLA crew is heavy in the evo and looks to be ready to represent in TX. Also, that evo machine in Austin may increase participation in Dallas, if the word can get out to some non-vfdc vf'ers.

In any case, I'm planning on having evo at home as soon after march 13th as possible which could mean I'll be bringing a rig for the tourney...joysticks too.

Oh...I agree with spotlite. But, depending on the number that show, something like a double round robin with your main for one go-round & whoever for the other go-round might be interesting, if absurdly non-traditional & perhaps foolishly complicated. In any case, get ready for my lame DJK akira.

 

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I'm sure the usual tourney rules will apply... double elim, 2 out of 3 matches, (prob 3 out of 5 rounds)... as for playing one character the entire time, I'm personally against it, but majority rules so people will need to decide on that.

Coming from a Tekken background, there was never a problem with people switching up, if you COULD play multiple characters, then why shouldn't you, etc. Besides, I think it would make the tourney more challenging if you didn't know what to expect for the entire tourney. My 2 cents at least.

BTW thanks for the support on the import systems... much appreciated.

 

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I don't know. I think it's probably a better test of skill to have everyone stick to one character, with the other competitors getting a peek at your tendencies (if you have any) thereby giving you and your opponent a more difficult time in the advanced rounds. I think this makes for more intense matches with perhaps some greater depth as the tourney progresses. If it's an either/or situation, I'm voting for sticking with one character throughout.

 

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Usually there arent vf tournaments and when they do occur in the US anyway. You have always been able to switch characters when you lose. Sometimes you just arent on with a certain character its stupid and WEAK to not allow people to change. Go look at old vf2 and vf3 tourney reports in events. Almost everyone played 3 characters. Im not attending so its up to yall just thought i would throw a differing opinion out.

 

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Location: Dallas/Fort Worth area
Time: March 23, 2003
Further info: TiT5 Thread at Zaibatsu

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Just a note that the tournament is actually being held on the 22nd according to the Zaibatsu thread. Cosmic_Forge can't change his original post so I thought I'd mention it here.

 

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don't know. I think it's probably a better test of skill to have everyone stick to one character, with the other competitors getting a peek at your tendencies (if you have any) thereby giving you and your opponent a more difficult time in the advanced rounds.

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As much as I like it when people stick to one character, I disagree greatly with this statement above. First, I think it's a better test of skill if one can use multiple characters well. Secondly, it's a better test of skill for the opponent to beat someone who is switching characters - it shows their ability to adapt. And lastly, the part about 'taing a peek' at someone's tactics - that's something that a good player should be able to do during the rounds they're fighting, not as you observe their play over and over throughout many rounds.

To give an example of why I think people should use multiple characters. During the first big VF3 tourney, Jo Shun was in the finals against Deon (?) from Detroit. They were to play best of 3 and Deon had to win twice (double elim and Jo had yet to lose). Well, Jo chose Lion for his first match, a character whom he rarely, or never, plays. The sole purpose of his Lion choosing was to 'feel out' Deon's play style. After losing with Lion, he then chose Jacky and won the next match for the victory.

Let people use who they want, when they want. That's by far the fairest way to go. If you only use one character, so be it, you use one. If you feel strong with a few different characters, so be it, use them all at times in the tourney.

cheers,

 

Re: Character swapping

Okay, let me preface all this by saying that I'm absolutely cool with whatever everyone decides for this tournament and I am really looking forward to meeting and trading licks (quit being nasty) with everyone who takes the time and effort it requires to show, represent & empty their wallet in my hands (good thing y'all couldn't make 'em sore, these dollars is some weight...look, my pants are sagging again!)

Really though...

Llanfair, you make some good points...are you planning on braving that whole other country in a whole other country on March 22nd or is the only thing flying this far south going to be the shit you talk? /versus/images/icons/wink.gif

Okay, for real now. Sure, playing with a variety of characters is an excellent indicator of overall strength in VF. I personally feel that playing with as many characters as possible heightens your game and makes the whole VF experience more pleasurable.

However, I also feel that tournament time is the time for everyone to decide who their top dog is and either carry them to the top or watch as the dirt slowly covers their corpse. Before and after the tournament we can all play with all our characters and decide that "wow, so and so lost the second round, but damn, there's not a single character they can't roll with!" or "gee, Sanjuro's Lau is a goddamned fool as evidenced by his strong showing, but his akira couldn't modify my nuts with two hours time, a gallon of saliva and that greenbook m-dblnuts dvd I let him borrow." Lest you think I'm constructing an argument out of one-liners and something as nebulous as feelings, aren't competitors in japanese tournaments stuck with that character for the whole tournament? Correct the shit out of me if I'm wrong.

As for the point that letting players switch characters at will tests a player's adaptation, I offer (as I essentially did in my original argument) that dealing with someone familiar with your style is a better test of strength than "adapting" by switching characters. The argument that the good player peeps style out on the fly does nothing to refute my claim that after many rounds...when the peep has become a gander or perhaps a longing gaze then deep stare...you will be left with two strong, fairly familiar opponents facing off for all the marbles with nothing to lose and nothing to hide. It makes for drama, dude. Also, I feel you get enough of a test of your skills of facing a variety of characters from round to round...or you should...unless everyone picks Jacky or something.

Finally...that Jo Shun picked an unfamiliar Lion to "feel out" his opponent before icing him with Jacky does nothing for the character swapping argument. First off, shouldn't Jo Shun...a "good player"... be able to feel out Detroit D without the gamesmanship of picking a slippery character everyone knows he doesn't use just to take advantage of his winner's bracket match advantage and the aggression/ire of his taunted motor city opponent? Perhaps this is a stretch. Is it a stretch to claim that swapping characters can randomize results? I don't think so.

As for fairness and "what if you're having a bad day?"...it's a tournament, not a knitting circle. Somebody wins. Everyone else loses. One person has a good day and everyone else gets to call him an asshole.

 

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As for the point that letting players switch characters at will tests a player's adaptation, I offer (as I essentially did in my original argument) that dealing with someone familiar with your style is a better test of strength than "adapting" by switching characters.

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Yes, I agree with this /versus/images/icons/smile.gif However, what I wrote was somewhat ambiguous. What I was trying to say was that if Player A decides to switch up characters on Player B, it is a much better measure of *Player's B's* skill to defeat Player A now that A has switched up characters.

If someone kicks ass all the way through a tourney with one character, great. However, why should they care what character they're facing? If they are truly the champ, and are comfortable with the one character they've chosen, then they should be able to handle anybody, with any character.

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are you planning on braving that whole other country in a whole other country on March 22nd or is the only thing flying this far south going to be the shit you talk?

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Ah, yes, the cross border trash talking /versus/images/icons/smile.gif I would really like to go. However, I will be just finishing my thesis and starting my last exams forever. I must bow out this time. Perhaps another time /versus/images/icons/smile.gif

cheers,

 

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I don't care if guys want to change up characters during the tourney. It's kind of like being able to choose your clothes for your execution. You can try to feel me out with a number of characters =), I'm game. And I'm not worried if you figure me out, lol. Just friendly shit talk =P later guys.

PS- I'll be playing Jacky =)

 

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Blonde_one forgets Ill be at this tournament. And Pete style faggots aint got nothing on Machi GOD jeffrey.

 

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I'm with Blonde_One on this one. I don't see why you would prevent someone from switching characters if they think it'll help their chances. If everyone can do it, then what's the problem? That's what makes tourneys so interesting, not knowing who the other guy will choose and adjusting accordingly to the new style if and when they do change up on you. And them feeling the same way when you switch up on them.

It makes the tourney tougher when people can swap characters, and that's where I think most people would have problems with it. I honestly could care less either way, though.

 

Before tourney bet?

Oh hey Blonde_One, want to have a little bet before the tourney? Like say, $100. First to 5, use anyone you want?

 

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Jedi: ahhahaha..

Modest: That'll certainly help pay for our trip. /versus/images/icons/cool.gif

 

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Alright, then it's on. I'm sure Blonde_One wouldn't want to back away from this opportunity so I'll assume he'll agree.

And we'll see who's trip this bet is helping. Confidence is good, but overconfidence will only get you in trouble. And I'm thinking Florida is in trouble right about now. /versus/images/icons/shocked.gif

 

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Oh, and maybe you IMS and Jedi_Fei would like to bet one of my CO buddies as well? $50 each sound good for either of you? That's $150 to $200 you guys will be taking away from us....if you're good enough. I'll let Jedi_Fei have Junosynth, but I wouldn't mind taking on you IMS as well as Blonde_One in two seperate bets. What do you guys say? With all the talk you guys do, let's see if you're willing to put money on it.

Let's make this tourney worth it for one of us. Win big, or lose big. That's what's happening here. /versus/images/icons/wink.gif

 

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I am there to see all the betting. Trust me, that should be fun. We never did get that one hundred dollar grudge match a while back in the old florida crew days.

I don't care about swapping characters. If you can't adjust to my game, you suck. Because I suck at the game and I play on a pad.

I will be playing Shun, Sarah, Lau, Aoi, Pai, and Lion.