Politics

LOL! Awesome KoD, awesome.

 

here's to hoping the private sector (chase, lol) can work this out before it turns into <s>a mess</s> a bigger mess than it already is.

 

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uh boy. Thursdays debate should be great comedy

 

Here's a short clip of what she really said and some viewer's reactions
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPP_wYeb5bw

What's crazy is that what she really said is funnier than anything SNL or Mad TV could've came up with.

 

Yo, Tony! read the Youtube comments, fucking hysterical, lol!

 

This was Clinton and his administration's fault. Bush had no hand in this or the issue regarding Fannie Mae and mortgages. Clinton signed the Commodity Futures Modernization Act. The Federal Reserve created the policy of cheap credit to those who can't afford them, which led right to the resulting crash of the housing market and its ripple effects on the rest of the economy.

Many jump on this Bush hate wagon and lets blame the republicans because media can spin this better then telling the truth.

 

A politics thread on VFDC is like a VF thread on a political message board. Except, a VF thread can't hurt a political community. A politics thread, however, can divide VFDC, since we are all the slaves of our own opinions and perspectives.

Some people on VFDC are Republicans, some are Democrats, and some, like me are somewhat of a mix. Many aren't even from the US, but have a wealth of views of how we should run our country. (I'm America-centric because so is the thread.)

I read some things that I find insulting to me, based on what I believe, but then I get the urge to write insulting things in return. I don't. I want to, especially when things sound particularly ignorant, but I don't. And I shouldn't. On the other hand, I also read some things I agree with, and I am still resisting the temptation to post in agreement, because that would make me a hypocrite, and would be fueling a fire I didn't like in the first place.

When we meet at tourneys or online to play, I don't want to have in the back of my head: "this guy thinks I'm stupid because I'm for a smaller federal government. Well fuck him because he doesn't see the bleeding obvious..." and so on and so forth. I want to be thinking about how you always try to use moves that are too slow as punishment, so I can abare you to death. (I chose a political topic that is not in this thread, on purpose, because it's a stereotypical differing point between two extremes. I don't really care if you are against a smaller Fed.)

If it's bad etiquette to discuss politics and religion at dinner, what is it here? Some of the things said in this thread can be very insulting to people, even if it's not intentional. You can't flame Fu-Unji for bashing an entire country's gaming ability and acting like a know-it-all, and then proceed to trash half of the same country as if you're a genius and they're morons. If anyone here knew politics like he knows VF, he or she wouldn't be posting political views on a video game website.

Can't we all just get a long? NO, but can we fight about something else? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif In a way I screwed myself, because now I will not be able to ignore this thread in active topics. I really shouldn't push that submit button... Oh well. Either way, just know I mean this post with no ill will or hard feelings towards anyone.

 

Whoa... Auvii, are you a republican?
So, what you are saying is that Clinton's 8 years of financial stability and the outstanding job he did on the deficit is just a big lie created by the media?
Or maybe I'm getting this wrong, are you saying that in 8 years of being president, G.W. Bush could not have avoided this in any way because Clinton had already sabotaged him in such a way that this horrible, financial outcome could not be averted?

I guess president Bush' hands were tied, huh? Ok, I'll buy that for a penny /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/whistle.gif

Edit: I'm not a Democrat but it seems to be the only party that isn't hellbent on making the rich richer and the poor poorer. All of these tax cuts for rich folks and wealthy oil companies because they supposedly create jobs yada yada and other financial policies that have been proven as (here comes your favorite word) FAIL, need to change.

Lol, I'm starting to believe that the captain at the helm of the Titanic was a republican XD
"Sir, we need to find a new route. If we keep going this way the ship will hit a major iceberg and we will all surely die."
"Nonsense! This ship is indestructible, we're doing just fine. Anyway if anything goes wrong I'll just blame the last captain that steered." /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

 

Brilliance!

 

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the guy knows how to motivate

 

Who introduced the CFMA? Who incorporated it into a huge appropriations bill?

I'd suggest that people google ( good starting keywords include mccain phil gramm commodity futures modernization act ) and decide for themselves what the "truth" is.

 

This had nothing to do with who introduced it. My statement was in regard to the flux of people who like to automatically assuming Bush is to blame for our current crisis. Regardless of who signed, supported, and introduced the CMFA it became official with and only with Clinton. It was his administration, his party, and his oval office that made that final call.
In a recent interview Clinton even places some of the blame on the Democratic Party itself! Again I am not supporting either Obama or Mccain here. I am simply trying to give some clarification on who actually caused this situation.

 

I'm usually on board with all your posts auvii, but i gotta bail out here. Disagree.
I'm of the opinion bush is running this country into the ground, and of the opinion we went to war to get him re-elected (in which case the war was a total success, even if it but barely worked). I think too many people adhere to party politics and blame all the problems on the oppisite party.

 

Think I needed to clarify a bit better on what the purpose of my response was. My intentions were to show that Bush didn't have any involvement with the root of our current crisis. I wasn't trying to come off as a supporter who blindly follows. Bush is running our country down, however he did NOT cause all of the problems. Its no secret that both party's want him gone.

But regardless of current opinions, hate or love, he had no hand in the creation or signing of that bill. That bill is why we are having the issues we are. Had that bill not been passed we would not be where we are today.

In every single problem that comes up in politics its about the root, who did what to cause this. The answer to this is simple, the crisis we are in started with Clinton and him signing the CFMA.

 

I would also like to share my opinion while I am posting on the subject:

Hehe, couldn't have said it better myself. Great analogy to the Fu unji thread.

 

Wait . . . let me get this straight - McCain's buddy Phil Gramm comes up with a scheme to make him and his cronies a bunch of money (like politicians on both sides of the aisle do), gets it added to a 10,000+ page budget bill with all kinds of unrelated shit (ditto), the bill gets passed by a majority of republicans in congress (guess which way mccain voted?). . .

. . . and you're suggesting this is wholly Clinton's fault because he didn't veto the entire bill?

You're not trying to give clarification, you're trying to engage in partisan finger-pointing. Both parties are guilty as hell of this kind of thing. Bush may have still been fucking up my home state at the time, so, no, he's not directly responsible for starting it, but he sure was unfriendly to attempts to fix loopholes created by the CFMA.

 

Clinton did not veto it. Didn't try to veto it. The democrats were for it. The republicans were for it. It was passed during Clinton's administration.

( guess McCain = Clinton )


You can get all aggressive and be just as sarcastic as you need be. But this doesn't change facts. I am not arguing for any one party here or trying to lead someones opinions in my direction.

My comments had one purpose, to show that Bush did not cause the crisis. That is all. You can take it however you want. But a simple research on who, or whom, caused the crisis will simply prove what I am saying. Not pro anything, just stating facts.

 

Ummm, ok, sure, it's the same thing.

Please, speak for yourself. I'm certain that there are those that can't separate political views from a person's character, ignorant individuals that say things like "He's a (insert political party here), he's an idiot!".
It's just like religion, once you meet somebody who is wearing a cross/star of David/kufi(sp?) does that make you jump to a conclusion about their character? Again, not the most sensible thing to do. I know it happens but people who might meet me in person and assume that they know me because I'm supporting Barack Obama... well, I don't really have much to say to those people anyway /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

If you find a post in this thread that you think is ignorant and/or offensive, why not write a reply in order to point it out? If you don't want to get involved, that's fine but if it really bothers you, speak up. Ignorance doesn't discriminate. Reps/Dems; whites/blacks; religious/non-religious are all prey to ignorance. Shoot, some people embrace it... /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif
We're all humans and we make mistakes but all it takes is someone to teach or show us a different perspective and even if the change doesn't happen right then and there it can bring about thinking... and that can lead to understanding, reflection, etc.

I'm sorry but I can't see myself thinking anything other than how to attack and defend better... unless it's a tourney, then my mind goes blank and I foget everything that I've learned and get my ass kicked >_<

You're comparing vfdc to a dinner table? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif Look, I understand, we were all brought up differently. I was taught that politics and religions go hand in hand with the word "taboo" and I learned why over the years. But it's that kind of mentality that keeps us from growing and sharing ideas without it resorting to "fuck you!" "no, fuck you!" My question is: why? Are we really that stupid that we can't discuss differences of opinions without it resorting into a shouting match or a fistfight?
I believe that it can be done but only by intelligent individuals. These kind of talks can not be done by people like G.W. Bush and his "my way or the highway" mentality and it can not be done by extremists with their "believe in what I believe or die." mentality. I believe we are better than these irrational individuals in that we can talk about our differences without resorting to flaming one another over political stances.

Take it how you wanna take it. This is a free country and just like some teenager from another country can come here and talk shit about U.S. so can a U.S. citizen. You don't have to agree. That is your right, just like it's his right to say "fuck that off". You could ask him to stop, that it's getting redundant, blah blah blah... bottom line is: there's nothing wrong with disagreeing with somebody else. Sometimes it's healthy, sometimes it's just stupid but, imho, it's better to talk about it than not.
If you really want this site to talk about nothing but VF, put in a complaint to Myke to get rid of the General section altogether. Good luck.

Get a long what? Get a long, little doggie? XD If you mean get along, then yeah, we could have... but you have taken a stance that I disagree with. Now we are enemies. If we ever meet at a VF gathering and we play each other I will be thinking that you are a stoopid for wanting a smaller federal government /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif On the plus side for you, my contempt and ill-will will allow for you to kick my ass since I am not focused on the game /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

 

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2000-273

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s2000-171

I guess the "fact" is that a whole 9 out of 233 democrats across both the house and senate were "for it"? Less than 5% == "the democrats were for it"? Can you please explain how that works?

I'm not pro-anything, I'm anti-bullshit, whether its being spewed by democrats, republicans, or VFDC posters (including myself).

 

As long you respect the other persons P.O.V. is all good. But, it doesn't mean you have to agreed with them, and take it personal at the same time. Beliefs, are one thing. But, it doesn't defines a persons character. I like this thread, because it shows what people from outside the U.S view us as. Good or Bad, samething could be said about us on how we view stuff outside the states. BTW folks, debating is good for the soul.