Man From Yard Is Calling it a day on VF 5.....

^ I don't think this was an attempt to seek help in getting better in the game as it was a pity trip in announcing his exit. Nice of you to ask him though.

 

Usually people who make a big scene and deal out of "quitting" or "leaving" don't actually want to quit, they want help (and a bit of attention)

You know, like those teen emo suicides that almost never goes through because they broadcast it over myspace, facebook, gossip channels at school, etc etc...

But hey, if you're really quitting, then congrats. It's just game after all, and you shouldn't have to play anything that makes you feel bad.

 

Ha Ha! Dude, I obviously didn't mean YOUR grandmother. I meant figuratively speaking, like grandmothers usually don't play video games... But I was actually sympathizing with you on "soul-destroying beatings" so you must be feeling really sensitive right now.

Sorry if I strummed a chord.

From where I'm sitting (at my computer screen) KiwE dissed you way harder than you could've said I did and you didn't say anything to him.

He pretended to BE YOU and it was funny! *slaps KiwE five*

 

INTERNET = SERIOUS BUSINESS!

 

Notice in this quote he says level of enjoyment, I wouldn't equate that with saying a novice can beat and expert. I think that means that the game is deep enough that no matter how much you play you can still learn and get better. I think what he said is true. No matter what level you play at, you can enjoy the game; it's a game, just try your best.

 

uhm, block and get +8 or evade to his back

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lei Fei's Ura Ne Han Shik into the Ki Shin Ni Ki
(Ne Han Shiki, back turned) KK which does stagger if connect and is really hard to either perform a throw from behind (I use Wolf) or use the mid kick counter (For some strange reason it actually works if the timing right or luck LOL) </div></div>stop trying to be fancy with backthrows andreversals and.... block.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">and third of all Jacky's lack of recovery to some of his moves.</div></div>just bs

 

MAN FROM THE YARD: To me your post seems simple. You are getting tired of losing, and subsequently have stopped enjoying the game.

My two cents: Quit if you want, it's just a game after all. BUT I guarantee if you keep practicing you will get better.

I started playing VF with this installment, and although I was a CONQUERER in quest mode- I hardly ever won a match on line. I kept playing--- and although I am by no means an elite player, its often I'll play player matches for 3 hours straight and not face anyone who even comes close to beating me.(these are usually the times no one from this site joins )

In terms of being accesible to novices--- the games not rocket science. If you spend enough time playing you'll start to get it. But shit, I'm glad that no one who has just rented the game at freakin Blockbuster would be able to take me out!!! To me thats a good think about the game.

If you want complete accesibilty for novices try playing the new Mario Kart and getting 10 blue shells in a row for no apparent reason. After that, get good at the game and be the person getting HIT by those shells 10 times in a row for no apparent reason. IMO crap like that prevents a game from being enjoyable.

 

I can understand your frustration. I also believe that certain powerful moves don't have the recovery time to match it. If a move can launch into a combo then it should be a risk to use that move - Jacky/Sarah /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif, Kage /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/uf.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif, Akira's /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif etc - these moves are almost entirely safe to attempt and have no element of risk. This can make the game incredibly frustrating as you feel you deserve more for guarding or evading combo starting moves.

The thing that's made me have a break from VF5 (and sessions of Fighting Vipers instead) is the tech roll. Ever since VF4 the game has completely changed into nothing but Okizeme. Almost all damage in VF5 comes from throwing/attacking recovery rolls. Whenever two decent players are playing, the game degenerates into nothing but dashing into fallen opponents and guessing which option to gamble on (whether you are the one rolling or the one dashing in). I for one am getting sick to death of this as it has turned VF into something else - Sega ought to realise the huge problem this has caused and do something about it.

It doesn't take too long before this starts to ruin your enjoyment of the game. Whether it's me wasting untold amounts of damage using this to comeback into matches, or its my opponent concentrating on nothing but (and forcing me into retaliating with the same crap), it makes me sick and has forced me to lay off playing. At least for now.

I still think VF5 is an awesome game but the way it forces you and your opponents to play is getting tiring. Sega should change it. If they got rid of pounce attacks altogether they wouldn't need safe rolls at all. They could merely allow fallen players to get up from the floor and have both players at 0 disadvantage.

And before you start, no I'm not a crap player. Ask anyone I've fought if they think I'm crap on it - skill has nothing to do with this. It's a cheap tactic whether they do it to me or I do it to them and the fact is okizeme takes precedence over all other game features most of the time and it has ruined VF to a large degree.

When you factor in the importance of tick-throws, well, you've got a bloody mess quite frankly.

 

Akira's /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif is only combo on counterhit, otherwise you can duck it and punish. The other three moves you can mention you can do heavy launchers if you evade them. Not enough payoff for you?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The thing that's made me have a break from VF5 (and sessions of Fighting Vipers instead) is the tech roll. Ever since VF4 the game has completely changed into nothing but Okizeme. Almost all damage in VF5 comes from throwing/attacking recovery rolls. Whenever two decent players are playing, the game degenerates into nothing but dashing into fallen opponents and guessing which option to gamble on (whether you are the one rolling or the one dashing in). I for one am getting sick to death of this as it has turned VF into something else - Sega ought to realise the huge problem this has caused and do something about it.</div></div>Yeah, Sega needs to fix it. It's an issue with the game. It's not you that lack skill or knowledge to handle these situations. Nope. Not at all. It's the game.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I still think VF5 is an awesome game but the way it forces you and your opponents to play is getting tiring. Sega should change it. If they got rid of pounce attacks altogether they wouldn't need safe rolls at all. They could merely allow fallen players to get up from the floor and have both players at 0 disadvantage.</div></div>Then there would be no point with knockdowns. Knockdowns are supposed to give an advantage.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And before you start, no I'm not a crap player. Ask anyone I've fought if they think I'm crap on it - skill has nothing to do with this. It's a cheap tactic whether they do it to me or I do it to them and the fact is okizeme takes precedence over all other game features most of the time and it has ruined VF to a large degree.</div></div>Seriously, Lemmy, you ARE a crap player and a total scrub.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When you factor in the importance of tick-throws, well, you've got a bloody mess quite frankly. </div></div>Yeah, tick throws are overpowered. It's not you that lack defensive skill. Never.


There is no problem with you as a player at all. You are the greatest player ever, even better then your imaginary brother. Everything is the game's fault.

 

Owwww! ^100+ damage wall combo^

@Lemmy: Dude, the only real trick is not tech-rolling EVERY TIME, predictably. They can't punish your tech-roll without predicting, as it happens pretty fast. If they go to punish your tech-roll and you don't do it, you usually get a rising attack on them.

A lot of time throwing rising attacks will get you hurt too. If they are trying to bait a rising whiff and you don't throw one, boom, you're up, 0 frame advantage/disadvantage, reset, like you said above. If you throw a rising attack predictably, yeah, you're gonna get hit.

I agree it's hard to get up sometimes but you're probably not mixing it up enough. You can just quick rise and their ukemizeme against a predicted tech-roll probably won't work. You have several options in that situation, just try to do one they aren't expecting. Even if you just lie there and mash guard, you'll probably roll up before they can land a heavy rising attack 99% of the time. But whatever you do, you can't just tech-roll the same way after every knockdown, that's too predictable. Predictable[/size]=Dead...[/size]

 

Fighting games have almost always been a glamorized rock/paper/scissor game anyway.

 

Well your comments are completely valid, seeing as you've never played me.

 

Oh? I kinda figured we must've played sometime since you once made this post to tell me how I can only win because I play an overpowered character and is undeserving of my wins. In the same post you also say there are no such things as tiers, how these two things go together I simply can't fathom.

You want to know what the sad thing is? That it's not even necessary to play against you to tell you're a total scrub. Yes, it's THAT bad! Just by reading the things you write it's just sooooo easy to tell that you're basically clueless. It's also not about how good or bad you are as a player, it's your mentality that makes you a scrub. You seem to think the game should change to fit you rather then you should improve your own skill level.

 

Not trying to get in between youse guyses argument or anything, I just wanted to quote one of the realest things I've read in this thread so far.

This applies to a lot of people bro, even me sometimes after I start thinking that the game should get rid of 2P or some dumb crap like that.
You're absolutely right, Jeneric, once the game is released, it's not going to change for a few years so it's not going to adapt to us. It's either adapt to the game or stop playing.

Lol, anyway, if the game tried to change in order to please everybody it wouldn't be VF it would probably be Virtua Crap.

 

No, I've never played you, but obviously the comments were bang on .

If you bothered to read my post you'd see that I said the tech roll okizeme shit works on other players just as much, if not more than it does on me. It's nothing to do with me being frustrated because I get fucked because of this tactic, it's me being sick of playing the game because this tactic fucks the game. It seems like almost all the game comes down to is guessing between options when a player is knocked down (either deciding to stay down, rising attack, tech roll or dash into tech roll and throw/launcher/circular etc).

The game has inadvertently put almost all the emphasis on this, just because they wanted a way for players to get out of guaranteed down attacks.

 

Re: it's all about me, mE, ME, MEEEE!

Just wanted to take your name off the thread subject.
The thread is getting derailed anyway and you got your 3 or 4 pages of attention on a game forum to which you never really contributed to but yet, here we are, talking to you as if this thread was even about VF.

5 pages later, I look at it again and it hits me:
"Who the fuck IS this guy???"
I'm all about keeping people interested in VF but I think that you're setting an awful trend here. The next time that some Joe Shmo wants to "quit" VF he can just come to VFDC, make an account and make a whole entire thread with his name as the subject like he's front page news:

"Joe Shmo is thinking about moving on to Pit Fighter"
*makes a whole entire thread so that people can chime in and talk about Joe Shmo*

Fuck that and fuck off.
Somebody please pull the plug on this thread before some other attention-starved idiot who never gave a fuck about the game or vfdc gets any ideas.

 

it's all about me, MEEEEE GODDAMNIT!.

tech roll okizeme is a guessing game like practically everything else in VF. There are numerous situations where you have to apply the same tactics.

I hope your not dissing Pit Fighter here, that game was/is awesome /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

 

Re: WRONG! Definately about mwah.

Like abaring(sp) for example?

 

Re: WRONG! Definately about mwah.

I is drunks I don't know what i'm saying... I was thinking when your opponent tech rolls you got choices like evade, guard, fuzzy maybe even attack hoping your attack will beat your opponents. I could smack you out of tech roll with 46p+k but you could guard or evade it but then I could do a throw a guard break.

It's the same in many situations, like if I hit my opponent with 66p+kp, i'm at +4, I could do 666p or KNEE if I think they are gonna attack and catch throw/throw or guard break if they evade or guard.