A Brutal Aoi, or Cerbral Aoi?

All remaining Punches in Lau's combo must be blocked after the first is blocked. You can't interrupt them with anything or even crouch (unless of course there's a delay between the 's). The final +, , or + can be reversed however, but it's somewhat of a guessing game. Lau usually sticks with + (to catch croucher's with the mid-hitting flip kick) or +. To answer your question about elbow reversals, yes they are reversed mid-level. Aoi can now reverse everything in EVO (except aerial attacks), which IMO is the way she should have been in Ver. C.

 

I must be confusing properties of the YY stance with reversing, ie you CAN'T YY inashi a roundhouse kick (or Jacky's backfist?) but apparently you CAN reverse Lau's or ? How does she reverse the crescent? Even if you get the timing, is it that thing where she kind of blocks a kick and pushes the opp. down, but doesn't do any damage, merely stops the attack? I've reversed Lau's double kick with back turned, but not the . You see, I can't even fathom that Aoi can reverse EVERY move (except double-fisted blows, shoulders and heads)...I mean, that's hard to imagine, since it seems right now very difficult to do. Though I will say that GaijinPunch's reversal suggestion at the round opener against Akira is spot on. Works every time.

 

sorry my bad for not stating that you need to block the first few hits then reverse it, the block is a a strong part of the reversing in the middle of a series concept, also as we've stated the choice between reversal and YY as always good, if you're against a CPU then a would be good (after the YY) as the CPU tends to do after Aoi's YY forces a Backturn, it works most of the time against CPU's not sure if it works against humans coz i never dared to try it.

i don't get to reverse lions sweeps often so at the moment i got nothing to say about it, but here's one thing i've noticed which you probably know already, some low kick and sweeps leave opponents crouched for a few frames ( perfect examples are Pai, Lion, Lau, Sarah, and Jacky's low double sweeps, ussually executed as ), this few frames are your advantage to a low throw, block the double sweep and quickly input a low throw command and you gain the advantage, take note that low throws are escapable though.

i'll see what i can do to find out more on reversing Lion's sweeps. /versus/images/icons/laugh.gif

 

in Ver C she can pretty much reverse anything except shoulder attack,double hand/fist attack, headbutts, anything else is revesible by Aoi, YY inashi, i'm not quite sure about it being able to inashi cresent, coz i thought at one time i was able to do so, i'll check on it, or maybe GP can answer it before me.

 

The command input for stopping crescents is the same as for every other reversal. The exception is that Aoi doesn't break a limb when she stops a crescent. It's a parry. For example, when Lau's ++ is reversed (with ++), she doesn't break his limbs. Instead she parries it, stunning him for a moment. Same thing goes for sweeps and mid crescents (like Vanessa's +, or Lau's backturned + after his turnaround uppercut). An excellent followup to a crescent "reversal" is her +,+ hit-throw. It's an especially useful way of keeping your opponent on the ground should they dare to attempt a rising mid kick or sweep. As far as her YY stance goes, it only inashi's single-limbed non-crescent high or mid level attacks. It's a good choice sometimes because it eliminates alot of the high/mid reversal guessing games. You are at risk of being thrown or hit with a low attack however. YY stance is also useless against shoulder, back, and headbutt attacks.

 

Something I forgot to mention. Not all sweeps are Crescents, they are semi-circular and therefore are reversed with the o'l fashioned bone-breaking technique (they can even be reversed by Akira). Some examples are Lau's + sweep and Jacky's backturned +.

 

If you can guess correctly, Aoi is excellent against Lion.

Reverse high/mid crescents: hit throw

Reverse low crescents: + > (or low throw)

The above are guaranteed follow ups and take very good damage.

 

Aoi is a bit different in Evolution.

Ver C: Can reverse (and inflict damage) to any linear or semi-circular attack. Parries full circular.
YY INashi's singlar and semicircular. Can't reverse anything w/ both fists, both feet, head, butt, back or shoulder.

Evo:
Can reverse anything. (DRE -- what's an 'aerial' attack that you say she can't reverse?). Thing is, any double-footed attack isn't exactly reversed. The command is the same, but it looks like the YY evade. Better than eating the damage. This goes for Sarah's flip-flop thing, Kage's + & ++,+, Lau's , & Pai's , Lei's +, etc.

Another note is that double-fisted reversal only guarantee a small down attack, while the shoulder (and back I think) reversal guarantee a ground throw.

Follows ups to circular reversals:
is no longer guaranteed. The window to input + or + is small -- you goof it, and you'll get thrown. is a nice substitute in Ver. C, and does almost as much damange. The 2nd whiffs in Evolution, so if you want to prepare yourself for Evolution, do the following.

For reversing mid-circular: + - then any number of follow ups.
Low circulars - +
These are guaranteed, but the window is small - you will see people either whiff these or be blocked, which is bad as they're both throw counterable.

As far as I know in Ver. C, Akira can reverse anything Aoi can except for the circular moves. ANyone know if he can reverse somersault kicks? What about half-circular?

 

In Evo can she reverse shun's + ?

 

Please excuse me for my multiple posts but:

GaijinPunch: To answer your question, in Ver.C Akira can reverse all linear and semi-circular attacks (and some hop attacks I've discovered). I've also been able to reverse Jacky's BT + crescent (I've been unable to evade it so I know for sure it's a crescent).

About Aoi in Evo: Can she reverse Kage's + or Shun's flying headbutt that I mentioned previously?

 

The problem with playing against a Lion is that he's going to sweep you all match. I've tried throwing low when he's clearly crouching in front of me, but I can't nail him. Between Lion and Pai, I've been raging about their bullshit the last few days...I don't hate them with the white-hot passion I reserve for Jacky, but Pai is getting close. As for Lion, when I play him he doesn't feel as jiveass as he does when you're playing AGAINST him.

I think GaijinPunch is suggesting that Aoi uses that special new dodge she has in EVO to avoid something like Shun's drunken headbutt, but I can't imagine anyone being fast enough to put a reversal command in for it. I mean, I can't tell Shun is going into that move; I don't imagine the move is used that much anyway, human to human, since it probably puts you in a bad position when blocked.

Let me ask this: Aoi's is gone in EVO, and so far in ver C it's been a bail out move for me, unfortunately. I try to imagine what I'd use instead of the to effectively counter, or even give a breather, and I'm scared to think about it. Aoi's striking ability is great, but the loss of severely undercuts her ability to trade blows; I don't want to see her become a ver C Shun when she's depowered from EVO, leaving her with impressive throws and reversals but, like ver C Shun, simply lacking a really strong, dependable offensive move. Like the ...and I can't tell you how valuable the back-turned is...what does Aoi have now for back-turned attacks? I worry about Aoi in the future.

 

Paul, Aoi's + in Version C is not throw counterable (only -4 I think) -- did this change in Evo?

And yeah, Akira can reverse somersaults.

 

So many questions:

DRE: I've reversed Jeffry's butthead, so I assume Shun's would be no different. Haven't tried yet. I'm the only person I know that uses it that much. /versus/images/icons/smile.gif. And on that note, lau_fists, it's great to finish off a round, or if you KNOW your opponent is rushing you. I've got waxed with it a couple of times, but you'd be surprised how well it works at the end of round 5.

Also for DRE: I know nothing of Jacky's shorthand, but I think I know the move you're talking about - which is a half-crescent. Akira can't reverse full-crescents.
Also, what's Kage's +? I think you might've gotten the command wrong, but maybe it's just me.

lau_fists:
Kumite Lion is pretty tricky. Doesn't fight like most humans. I know how it is. I think Pai & Jacky are equally frustrating. Kumite or Vs. Pai is just so damn fast and Jacky staggers you w/ damn near every move.

As for Shun's headbutt, I'll do some testing to see if it's a real reversal. Maybe grab it on tape if possible. The only reversal command that ends up as a YY evade is double-leg kicks. (Kage, Lei Fei, Sara, etc.)

Aoi's back-turned game kind of sucks, although is pretty quick. She can also reverse from the back, but can be tricky to do -- no elbows - sucks against Akira. Even though is gone, she's got a much more offensive game this time. There's some nice 50/50 games to be played from the YY, as you can evade->chop and crumble, or evade->throw, for those that know it's coming. + has good distance. And finally the low throw is guaranteed when + hits on a counter.

Ice:
re: +
Do some checking -- I'm pretty sure it's throw counterable in Ver. C. I'll test out on Evo sometime. It's just so dang slow, but it's nice when you know someone's going to try to throw escape.

 

All I can say is that it must be nice to be involved with the whole real-life arcade scene, where you're likely to find other adults with an interest in this particular game. I watched those magoja.com videos where everybody involved on the audio is just cheering, laughing, and having a grand old time, in Japanese. Makes you like Lau to see how folks over there dig his juggles, makes me wonder how an Aoi player is viewed, what with how rare good Aoi's are, I assume. The reason I mention this is, well, I wish I was having a good time with good people enjoying VF, but most of the time I'm just pissed off as all hell. I've got a Kage and a Jacky as human competition, but mostly it's the CPU. I've gotten so pissed off at the CPU Lions that I just sweep that fucker as much as possible now...

I hate to hear that about the back-turned stuff; Aoi seems to be getting more complicated than ever, if EVO Aoi's strength lies solely in reversals and throws. I already feel like I don't concentrate as much on striking attacks as I should, and with Aoi's kicks getting dumbed down...ugh. I shouldn't complain I suppose; fact is, I'm more effective with Aoi than I ever was with Lau, a simpler offense...but is it? I find it infinitely harder to land Lau's strikes than it is to use Aoi's throws, except 270s obviously. I guess I don't want to say Lau is for prognathous brows and Aoi is for gentlemen, because I think Lau does require SOME skill to be top flight.

Jacky, however, I think is like Lei Fei in ver C...probably too strong offensively, and more versatile than Lau. Jacky is just a snap to learn and win with, like Lei is. You can wear somebody's ass out with Jacky or Lei if you develop a system of moves, oke and so on, inashi punishing shit and sick combos. Lau doesn't have that really...he's just got the superknife, double-palm and the crescents to attack TRs, for most damage.

GaijinPunch: are there direct links to videos of the Guerilla? To good Aoi's? I've managed to download maybe two vids, and both Aoi's were mediocre, I think.
As with Shun, I don't know how Aoi should look until I see a good player using her.

 

GaijinPunch: the + move I was referring to was kage's flip attack where he jumps 10 feet in the air.

 

The arcade scene here is nice. Imagine something like CreeD's NYG3 post, but not quite as conslidated, on any given day of the week -- especially the weekends. The tournaments, even the smaller ones, are all fun, and have everyone cheering and whatnot.

There are quite a few good Aoi's. In fact, I think you'll see more strong Aoi's as opposed to weak ones. Maybe b/c she's not super easy to just pick up, so the only people that play her are the ones that stick with her.

I think all the EVO posts have gotten you a bit preoccupied. There are mixed opinions on whether she's stronger or not, but I'd say definitely she's been upped. Most people that don't player her feel the same. Even though her KK is gone, she's got a new (not to be confused with that makes a nice setup on counter. Also, the chop coming out of the YY stance is INCREDIBLY useful.

As for Lei Fei - I think he's easy to be scrubs with, but not so easy to intermediate people with. If you know his stances, and what can come out of them, then he's pretty easy to defend against. I generally don't find Lei as a troubling opponent -- even before I started using him. I could beat VERY skilled Lei Fei's w/ my Shun in Ver. C if you can believe that. True, he does have some MASSIVE offensive power, I've never thought of him as too strong in general, although I thought a few moves of his should've allowed a TR, which they didn't. Some do in Evo.

If you go to my site, you might be able to find some good Aoi videos. Not a ton, but some in the Bay Area Cups. The Guerilla is in there, but he's using Lau. Unfortunately, in this EVO in this tournmant I've got, there was only a couple of Aoi's, and I don't have the whole thing as the first round was fought on two machines, and only one converter. /versus/images/icons/frown.gif

 

<font color="ff3366">are there direct links to videos of the Guerilla? To good Aoi's? </font color>

VF4fx has almost all of the old VF clips, from ver. B and ver. C. And there's a listing of the characters being used in each clip. I'm almost sure it's been mentioned before, but no harm in bringing it up again.

 

I'm a computer retard, so even though I got to your site, I can't figure out what I need to do to download. I can't remember what the problem was, but I'll try again.

The arcade scene just sounds incredible, and it must be heady stuff to watch or be involved in VF crowds in Japan. I'd rather hear Japanese business people laughing and having a good time in Japanese than the honky teenagers here in the states bitching about how they want their money back; fact is, I'm too old to start attending arcades, or my cliche view of them. I think I'd like the spectacle of a VF assembly but it isn't likely one is going to be within a hundred miles of Fredericksburg VA. Sure would be cool to play some humans, too, but how much fun would it be to get scrubbed by some 12 year old who lives in the arcade?

It's hard not to feel some trepidation over EVO, since most of the characters are changed, and could change even more. I'm elated over Shun's power, and Aoi's upping, as they are the two I'd make my primaries. An ancient old man and a young schoolgirl, and people complain if they're too tough. It seems unlikely any Shun or Aoi player has ever thought they were too tough, while I've never played Lei or Lau without thinking they are probably too strong. I'm not as good as Lau or Lei can make you look, with a modicrum of skill and some timing.

 

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Shun:
I think the reason people might think Shun is too strong is b/c he's quick & tricky. He still doesn't have some stupid 'easy' combo you can with win in a heartbeat, so in taht respect, he's like Lion. He can do a lot of damage, but in awkward ways. As such, when you get beat by Shun, you've usually be schooled, and it's much more aesthetically pleasing than just pounding someone w/ a , beat knuckle, or the such. Also, the opponent needs to keep an eye on the drinks as well, which I like.

Aoi:
I think Aoi doesn't 'appear' to be strong, if you get my drift. Even her doesn't do a lot of damage, and with the exception of the dreadfully slow +, she requires a counter hit to float/crumble. If I lose to an Aoi, I always feel like I've been outsmarted, as it takes some fancing dancing and G-cancelling to do damage with her.

There are some youngsters that are quite good, but most of the game centers don't allow anyone under 18 in them. Of course, they could walk down the street and see vulgar pornography in any number of video or books stores... but from the evil of games, they're safe. On that note, there are a few chics that swing by from time to time, and some of them are quite good. I think I can honestly say "A girl beat me up". The only 'famous' one I know of is 1st Angel, who's quite a good Akira. NEver played against her though.

 

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The only 'famous' one I know of is 1st Angel, who's quite a good Akira. NEver played against her though.


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