What is Kage's 1+P useful for?

Discussion in 'Kage' started by Murder_Material, Dec 22, 2007.

  1. Murder_Material

    Murder_Material Active Member

    I've been really curious about kage's hook punch, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/db.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif. It seems to me just like the regular /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif without a whole lot of difference. Does it have any special properties that I'm not aware of?
     
    Murder_Material, Dec 22, 2007
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  2. KoD

    KoD Well-Known Member

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    KoD, Dec 22, 2007
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  3. Sebo

    Sebo Well-Known Member

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    What isn't on the wiki:

    It's good 12i high punishment. Does as much damage as a heavy-weight /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif (37 on mC). (or am I full of shit... Myke? Verify?)

    I think it also floats the opponent higher off /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif.
     
    Sebo, Dec 22, 2007
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  4. Myke

    Myke Administrator Staff Member

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    I do mention that the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/db.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif does more damage than regular /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif, so you can infer the greater guaranteed damage. But the downside to using this as a guaranteed counter attack is that you can't (obviously) "hold forward" like you can with regular punches for additional range. So, the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/db.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif is quite limited in that regard and I think there are situations where it misses due to the lack of range.

    I don't think it floats any higher after a TFT either. That is, I've not come across a combo that requires a /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/db.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif where a normal /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif would fail, due to lack of height.
     
    Myke, Dec 22, 2007
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  5. Sebo

    Sebo Well-Known Member

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    Oh, okay.

    I see it used for OMGWTFBBQ ring outs over short walls, where I never see /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif being using.
     
    Sebo, Dec 22, 2007
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  6. Murder_Material

    Murder_Material Active Member

    i did some playing around in dojo mode, and it looks like it's also a half circular move, depending on which arm is in the lead. Maybe useful as a combo starter against an opponent when you're expecting a DM.
     
    Murder_Material, Dec 22, 2007
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  7. EndCA

    EndCA Well-Known Member

    Interesting if true gonna test it too...
     
    EndCA, Dec 29, 2007
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  8. Myke

    Myke Administrator Staff Member

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    It's half circular property should have been apparent on the VFDC command list.

    Not exactly sure what combo you're hoping to start with it though? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/db.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif or /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/db.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif
     
    Myke, Dec 29, 2007
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  9. EndCA

    EndCA Well-Known Member

    Sorry Myke too lazy to check command list properties. Not thinking for combos maybe an inside mix up for people who like to evade alot cause I'm assuming its quicker then most other half circle Kage moves.

    /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/db.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif on hit Shippuujin might be an idea thou, if you hit someone on evade how much a disadvantage for them is it for a unsuccessful evade (if so if its possible for an effective Shippuujin game)?
     
    EndCA, Dec 29, 2007
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  10. Myke

    Myke Administrator Staff Member

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    EndCA, my reply wasn't directed at you, so no apology necessary! Murder_Material mentioned that after "playing around in dojo" did he happen across this property. For lazy people, going to the command list would have been much easier to find this out!

    To answer your question, the disadvantage from hitting out of a failed evade would be the same as on normal hit.
     
    Myke, Dec 29, 2007
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  11. Murder_Material

    Murder_Material Active Member

    geez, does that mean *I* have to apologize instead? :p
     
    Murder_Material, Dec 31, 2007
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  12. Myke

    Myke Administrator Staff Member

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    LOL, no! I'm just pointing out information that's already available in case you weren't aware.
     
    Myke, Dec 31, 2007
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