What are kage's options on flop?

Discussion in 'Kage' started by Murder_Material, Mar 3, 2008.

  1. Murder_Material

    Murder_Material Active Member

    I find myself using shippujin /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif a lot lately, and am wondering about some good follow-ups that take advantage of the flop situation. I've defaulted to /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif but I'm hoping there are some better options out there. Any ideas?
     
    Murder_Material, Mar 3, 2008
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  2. Oioron

    Oioron Well-Known Member Gold Supporter

    2P > 46P+KP takes more damage iirc. It does 44 total dmg. There is a combo that is really difficult: OM > 1PK(g cancel) > 2P > 46P+KP. I have only been able to do this once ever since I first learned about this combo.

    I'm still practicing it, but it's not ready for primetime yet. You can see this combo in action by watching the Kage matches on the 360 disc.
     
    Oioron, Mar 3, 2008
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  3. Myke

    Myke Administrator Staff Member Content Manager Kage

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    There are a bunch of Shippuujin /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif combos listed in the black book combo wiki page: Shouryuuzan Combos.

    Since Ver.C (Xbox 360), Kage has a bunch of new combos possible, due to minor tweaks in moves.

    1. OM -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/ub.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif
    Works on lightweights and some midweights. Can replace the somersault with /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif for better okizeme options.

    2. OM -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif
    Works on lightweights and some midweights. Optionally can replace the knee with Dragon Punch, Somersault, etc.

    3. OM -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif
    Works against Aoi.

    4. OM -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif
    Works against heavyweights.


    Notes

    The OM should always be in the direction of the opponent's back (their higher leg during the flop).

    Depending on the character weight, the timing on the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif cancel may need to vary.

    Some or all of these have stance requirements but I haven't bothered to check them yet.
     
    Myke, Mar 3, 2008
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  4. danny13

    danny13 Well-Known Member

    I test for you.

    1 works on everyone up to jacky but i find doing /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif > /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif~/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif > /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif easier to time the refloat for Shun and Jacky. The hardest for me is Goh. 53pts on normal hit. 2 is mainly for akira as he cant be refloated with /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif. May end with /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif too.47pts.

    4 is mainly for wolf(45pts). Do /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif > /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif > /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif against Jeff(48pts).

    No stance requirements!
     
    danny13, Mar 6, 2008
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  5. Myke

    Myke Administrator Staff Member Content Manager Kage

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    Awesome, thanks danny! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif
     
    Myke, Mar 6, 2008
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  6. Ogi

    Ogi Well-Known Member

    OM -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif -> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif

    works against Eileen.

    OM to opponent's back.
     
    Ogi, Mar 10, 2008
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  7. AceInTheHole

    AceInTheHole Member

    Nub Question: Is flop the same as juggling?
     
    AceInTheHole, Mar 27, 2008
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  8. Sorias

    Sorias Well-Known Member

    "Flop" doesn't really mean anything... what he's referring to is the "slam" state that certain launchers cause ("slam" is the term used in the command list, if you want to find examples). Instead of just lifting your opponent of their feet into the air, they'll get slammed onto their back, but with both their feet up in the air, which prevents quick recovery. From that state you can juggle them.
     
    Sorias, Mar 27, 2008
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