VF5US/R.E.V.O. Version 2.0 Vanessa Changes

Placeholder for discussion and listing all the changes for Vanessa

Official Change Log - https://www.virtuafighter.jp/vfes/ps4/ver2/en/

Link to main thread. https://virtuafighter.com/threads/vf5us-version-2-0-update.22199/

Move (Command) Changes
Combo High Kick (From Defensive Style: PPK)

Shortened the total recovery frames by 6 frames, changed the recovery on guard from -16 to -8 frames.

Stopping Low (From Defensive Style: 2K)

Is now considered a half circular move.

Leopard Strike (Deflect) (From Defensive Style: 46P+K)

Changed the effect on hit, allowing for follow ups even from a normal hit.

Grand Spike (From Defensive Style: 2P+K)

Shortened the total recovery frames by 6 frames, changed the recovery on guard from -4 to +2 frames.

Stinger Low Blow (From Defensive Style: 1P+K)

Changed to cause a knockdown on recovery counter hit.

Spinning Savate (From Defensive Style: 66K+G)

(D) 66K+G now has the same motion as its (O) counterpart.

Low Spin Slicer (From Defensive Style: 2K+G)

Changed the recovery on hit from -5 to -3 frames.

Sliding Low Kick (From Defensive Style: 1K+G)

Changed the recovery on hit from +4 to +7 frames.

Wheel Kick (From Defensive Style: 9K+G)

Changed from a high attack to a mid attack.

Intrude Hook (From Defensive Style: (hold G) 2P)

Extended the dodge property to 10 frames.

Intercept Body Blow (From Defensive Style: (hold G) 8P)

Extended the dodge property to 10 frames.

Switch Shoulder (From Defensive Style: 6P+K+G)

Changed the frames after the attack from -2 to +1 frames.

Back Knuckle High~Switch Back Blow (From Defensive Style: 6PKP+K+G)

Restored Back Knuckle High ~ Switch Back Blow.

Stopping Low~Switch Back Blow (From Defensive Style: 2KP+K+G)

Restored Stopping Blow ~ Switch Back Blow.

Heavy Hook~Switch Knee Lift (From Defensive Style: P+KP+K+G)

Restored Heavy Hook ~ Switch Knee Lift.

Combo Body Blow (From Offensive Style: PP6P)

Changed the recovery on hit against crouching opponents from +6 to +7 frames, unifying it with counter hit frames.

Fake Lancer (From Offensive Style: PKP+G)

Changed the command from (O) PK6P+G to (O) PKP+G. Shortened the active time on the catch throw, allowing it to be more easily dodged by crouching.

Body Blow (From Offensive Style: 6P)

Changed the recovery on hit against crouching opponents from +6 to +7 frames, unifying it with counter hit frames.

Bunker Buster (From Offensive Style: 9P)

Added 1 frame to the total recovery frames, changed the recovery on guard from +2 to +1 frames.

Crimson Lancer (From Offensive Style: KP4PP+G)

Changed the command from (O) KP4P6P+G to (O) KP4PP+G. Shortened the active time on the catch throw, allowing it to be more easily dodged by crouching.

Crimson Lancer (From Offensive Style: 6KKP4PP+G)

Changed the command from (O) 6KKP4P6P+G to (O) 6KKP4PP+G. Shortened the active time on the catch throw, allowing it to be more easily dodged by crouching.

Landing Knee Kick (From Offensive Style: 66K)

No longer staggers on hit against crouching opponents. Changed to only cause a stagger on counter hit.

Landing Knee Combo (From Offensive Style: 66KP)

Changed the recovery on guard from -13 to -15 frames.

Fake Lancer (From Offensive Style: 66KP+G)

Changed the command from (O) 66K6P+G to (O) 66KP+G. Shortened the active time on the catch throw, allowing it to be more easily dodged by crouching.

Crimson Lancer (From Offensive Style: 46K, then P+G during counter hit)

Changed the command from (O) 46K6P+G to (O) 46KP+G. Eased the distance requirement. Shortened the active time on the catch throw, allowing it to be more easily dodged by crouching.

Crimson Lancer (From Offensive Style: 2KP4PP+G)

Changed the command from (O) 2KP4P6P+G to (O) 2KP4PP+G. Shortened the active time on the catch throw, allowing it to be more easily dodged by crouching.

Stopping Toe~Second Impact (From Offensive Style: 3KK)

Changed the recovery on hit from -5 to -1 frames.

HAWK Strike (From Offensive Style: 9K)

No longer considered an air move.

Backswing Body Hook (From Offensive Style: P+KP)

Changed so that when the first hit is guarded, the second hit does not force a guard string.

Clobbering Straight (From Offensive Style: 4P+K)

Changed the recovery on guard from +2 to +5 frames.

Leg Slicer (From Offensive Style: 2K+G)

Changed the damage from 21 to 15.

Leg Slicer~Takedown (From Offensive Style: 2K+G, then P+G during counter hit)

Changed the damage from 17 to 10, shortened the distance needed for the hit throw.

Leg Crush Hold (From Offensive Style: 3K+G, then P+G during hit)

Eased the input window.

Switch Shoulder (From Offensive Style: 6P+K+G)

Changed the recovery on guard from -2 to +1 frames.

One Two~Switch Back Blow (オFrom Offensive Style: PPP+K+G)

Restored One Two ~ Switch Back Blow.

Combo Body Blow~Switch Back Blow (From Offensive Style: PP6PP+K+G)

Restored Combo Body Blow ~ Switch Back Blow.

Body Blow~Switch Back Blow (From Offensive Style: 6PP+K+G)

Restored Body Blow ~ Switch Back Blow.

High Kick Combo~Switch Knee Lift (From Offensive Style: KPP+K+G)

Restored High Kick Combo ~ Switch Knee Lift.

Knee Kick Combo~Switch Knee Lift (From Offensive Style: 6KKPP+K+G)

Restored Knee Kick Combo ~ Switch Knee Lift.

Stopping Low Combo~Switch Knee Lift (From Offensive Style: 2KPP+K+G)

Restored Stopping Low Combo ~ Switch Knee Lift.

Stopping Toe~Switch Back Blow (From Offensive Style: 3KP+K+G)

Restored Stopping Toe ~ Switch Back Blow.

Leap Short Upper (From Defensive Style: (while descending) P)

Changed the recovery on guard from -7 to -10 frames.

Spear Tackle (From Intruder Step: P+G)

Changed the damage from 15 to 10.

Brush Off (Deflect) (From Intercept Position: P+K)

Expanded the hurtbox on the opponent on successful sabaki.

Army Combination (From Defensive Style: 41236P+G)

Changed the damage from 60 to 65.

Judgment: Guilty (From Wall Kiss: 6P+G)

Changed the damage from 40 to 45.

Stomach Crusher (From Wall Kiss: 4P+G)

Changed the damage from 40 to 45.

Styx Hole (From Offensive Style: 63214P+G)

Changed the damage from 25 to 30.

Triangle Lancer (From Offensive Style: 46P+G)

Changed the damage from 52 to 55.

Lightning Lancer Tackle (From Offensive Style: 66P+G)

Changed the damage from 15 to 10.

Rampage Drive (From Offensive Style: (wall behind opponent) 41236P+G)

Changed the damage from 70 to 75.

V1 Armlock (From Takedown: P+G)

Changed the damage from 35 to 32.

Space-out Nightmare (From Takedown: 6P+G)

Changed the damage from 50 to 47.

Inconstant Nightmare (From Takedown: 4P+G)

Changed the damage from 45 to 42.

 

In DS backdash stagger I had time to forward dash, OM and then do K+G into back throw for 122 damage.
In OS then forward dash, OM, 66K+G seems best mid stage

 

With DS 44P+G, 3K is guanteed. Leaves you at +3 sideturned but quite far away. Outside of throw and 6P range. 66K+G doesn't really make sense to use there imo as they can just block, leaving you at -1 (and still far away) .
If 44P+G throws them into the wall it will stagger and 66K+G will crumple... But you'd get the exact same crumple from 3K and as it's faster it's harder to escape.

 

In other news I put some testing into DS (G) 2/8P. The move is ridiculous and seems to now comfortably beat both elbows and throws at - 9. I'll test to find out the exact evasion frames soon.

 

All the patch notes told us is that they're increasing the evasion. It certainly isn't frame 1-10 as I'm going through 17f moves at -9. Accuracy is needed as the move is harder to apply without knowing what it could beat. It doesn't have very much range and is unsafe.