Akira's b,d P+G from crouch

Anyone knows how to do Akira's + from crouch? Do I have to stand up to do this? Everytime I try doing this throw, such as after Akira's pull in catch throw or a low P, I just get +. It's weird that it's easy to pull it off with Kage but not Akira.


As a side question, is anyone familiar with the technique, locking ,which normally applies for Oki situation?

 

Hmm curious. Whenever I try to do ST after a low jab I always get RBC. May just be my clumsy/lazy input.

I've changed my approach to jab > ST and it works fine but lp > ST I can't seem to get out.

 

It can't be done from crouch.

The only way to do it is to buffer or to stand instantly, then +.

 

Just input , makes it easy

 

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DRE said:

It can't be done from crouch.

The only way to do it is to buffer or to stand instantly, then +.

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Yeah, that's why it kinda sucks as after a low P hit, you don't have a perfect nitaku situation involving the b,d P+G throw. When I do 44 or 66 to stand up, it gives my opponent time to duck under b,d P+G as I waste frames by doing that.

 

Ahh. That explains it then, thanks DRE.

It kept worrying me how I couldn't do it yet it was such an "easy" command to do.

 

After, you do 2p normal hit on your opponent(standing) followed by +. he can't just hold down to duck the throw. He has to do if his reflexes is fast enough.

 

+ works?!? Thanks a ton,Danny and Siyko KUNS. I will give it a try.

 

Try it in training mode. Only on normal hit of 2p, your opponent can do to duck the throw. On Mc, he has to do something else like ETEG or attack.

 

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maddy said:

Anyone knows how to do Akira's + from crouch?As a side question, is anyone familiar with the technique, locking ,which normally applies for Oki situation?


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I'm not too sure, but are you referring to how some moves will track you if you hold while TR'ing? If so, all I know about it is that if you hold G during the TR, the move will track you, but if you attack or give no input, the move will just keep going on its path. Moves like lei fei's arrow punch, wolf's 46P, and other similar moves are affected by this a lot.

Or am I thinking of something completely different?

 

Yeah Akira's + can be done crouching yet you have to imput one more which is kind of a quick backdash buffer then throw.

As for Kage's + throw, you can just instantly buffer the throw after a low punch which is quite interesting compared to Akira's.

 

Re: Locking

The term Locking is a technique used against an opponent who does a tech roll or quick rising after being knocked down. I heard there's a timing that if you place a move against a techroller, they can't evade the move. They can either stay standing or duck but no evade. That means the situation is a 50/50 guessing game with a throw or mid attack. At evo2K4, I saw Itazan using + when I was techrolling, and I tried to evade but couldn't. AdamYuki was using a similiar technique as well in Oki situation.

That's all I know regarding "locking". If anyone has more infor, please add on this. This is a pretty strong technique but not really known well enough.

 

Re: Locking

Hi ! Maddy : maybe you are asking this ......
I will explain it to you by a poor draw ....>_<
|________|___|_____________|.....
1..............2.....3........................4

the whole techroll can be seperated to 3 steps .
from part 1 to part 2 is evade time .
from part 2 to part 3 you only can "press G" (no evade during this time).
from part 3 to part 4 you can to anything you want .
so i think maybe you got lucking on part 2 to 3 ...???

 

Re: Locking

oh.

well, all I know about this technique, is it is very strong for akira, as his ++ is easy to change the timing by holding the buttons longer, and it is a knockdown on any hit. Also, I think the window for an unevadable hit is larger if they QR as opposed to TR. Lastly, if this is related or not, I am pretty sure that the ++ is unblockable as well as unevadable if the opponent tech rolls towards Akira's chest. The timing may be more strict, but it is really frustrating to get hit with.

 

Re: Locking

Thx Joey for the post. It is easy to figure it out with the graph.

As for P+K, as Siyko pointed out, it's a great tool in locking as you can charge it as long as possible.

As this move is a half circular move, when you techroll towards Akira's chest, there's more chance of you getting hit by it as the unblockable window is large when you techroll towards his chest. If it's timed late, you could still block the move even though you techrolled the wrong way.


Locking can be done with other moves as well. I've seen Haijin doing it with +, and adam does it with ,. Pretty intimidating.

 

Re: Locking

There is no such thing as an unblockable window after a techroll except when you crumble face down. Techroll to Akira's front or back, you definately can blocked ++.

 

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I must have confused it with techrolls after a crumple. Thx for clearing this up.

 

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Anyway, you can test it out in training by setting the CPU to guard always and to techroll towards the foreground. You then do guard break on the CPU followed by +->, skip the dblpalm so that you have tons of time to do your ++. Since the CPU is set to techroll to the foreground(close stance and the CPU techrolls to Akira's chest), you can keep pressing the reset position button to keep trying again.

 

Re: Locking

Hrm... i coulda sworn there was an unblockable window (eating , TR to chest, ). I tried testing and couldn't replicate an unblockable ++, so I guess I'll let it rest.... unless anyone knows differnetly?